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Bold prediction: Federer 20, Nadal 19, Djokovic 18. Time for the youngsters.

I just checked Andreas' profile and last time he was active was Jan 2019 and only 6 posts in 2 and a half years, tbh they really should've cleared out the deadwood before appointing new blood, and yeah completely agree with the bolded part.

TF is obviously run differently as it’s up to the Admins alone who is and isn’t an Admin/Mod and to get rid of any driftwood.

I don't agree with this, the active admins and mods on their now i'd say are pretty fair and I'd guess all had clean records before they were made Admin or mod, plus i'd think they'd have the commonsense not to give anyone that position with such a poor record. I think you're judging MTF for what it used to be rather than it is now, nearly all of them weren't even members of the forum while you were Admin. I agree with you that people with 5 infractions have no right to be a mod but that's on the old lot.

I’m not criticising the current team as individual people because apart from Matthew I don’t think I know any of them, not even sure I know who they are now. But I do criticise the tone and history of that forum, that’s what I mean about the poison running down though, pretty fair ain’t good enough – totally fair is.

Yeah VS are pretty hopeless. I would never do the job you guys do on TF/MTF simply because I'd lose my patience pretty easily with them.

Well, on that one I’m not sure what to make of it. Prior to the “upgrade” we’ve always been left to handle everything the way we felt it should be run with zero interference. The thing that concerns me the most is the post editing issue. I’m sick and tired of the excuses we’re getting every time I raise it with them – that’s true.

Quote from: AdeyC on March 11, 2020, 09:51:03 pm

Well I don’t know any of the current Admins (well obviously Andreas – who to my knowledge is still there, so I'd not bet my life that it’s cleaned up since then) apart from Matthew, who I’ve never had an issue with and get on very well with on a personal basis, oh and I did once meet Martin/dinkulpus in the flesh in London on the middle Sunday of Wimbledon in 2012 or 2013.

It’ll always be a matter of integrity to me - the fact of the matter to me is still that wrongs were done and were never righted, it is known who did the wrongs, people were banned and punished by Domi, who had 5 infractions for bullying so shouldn’t ever have been in that position to ban people (it’s like Joan Ferguson being in charge of Cell Block H), the rest of that team were happy to keep quiet about it and those people who’ve been wrongly punished still haven’t had the justice that they deserve which was the reason why I left. Although I got a lifetime membership there as an ex-Mod I rarely post there – I used to post in that TF complaints thing when people mouthed off about supposed wrong infractions they had there. I’d always ask them for the full details of what these were but not once did anyone ever write to me with anything that proved wrong infractions. If I’d ever found out that a past Admin in TF had been in that same position, the instant I found out every single infraction they’d given would have been removed from any posters records with immediate effect, but that’s just the type of person I am, I just can’t sit by and watch injustices happen.

I've never had a warning myself as I've always been a good boy in both forums.

Yeah I forgot about Andreas, he shouldn't be an admin based on his activity (or lack thereof) hasn't posted in years, he's just dead wood that they've not removed yet.

Yeah I agree that it's disgraceful that someone was made Admin/Mod based on such a shitty record of infractions. Its like having someone like Burrow or tribalfusion on that position in this day, that really highlights the incompetence of the Admin/Mod team that were around back then and I'm certain the current mtf group wouldn't allow such a thing to happen. And yeah once proved innocent the wrongs should've been righted. I'm sure if some of them appealed they would get them removed, although I doubt many of them give a **** about MTF now and have moved on, kinda similar to how you moved on and became admin on TF.

And I've also got a pretty clean record. That warning by TV was the only one I had before that incident and since that incident, which is more reason why it should've been handled differently. I couldn't even be arsed appealing it simply because it wasn't a ban, but even if it was I'd just either create my own forum like I did here or just move somewhere else to chat **** about tennis, it wouldn't be the end of the world.

Not posted in years – yet still an Admin – that’s appalling, I thought a forum was meant to be run for the benefit of the posters and inactive people benefit no-one. The first thing us three new Admins did upon becoming Admins was bring in an unwritten but agreed rule that after 3 months of inactivity a team member gets removed.

That would’t wash with me because I also know how the Admin CP works, it is totally simple to right those wrongs  – one could easily get a list of infractions any member of a team had given in any period and reverse them (although fair enough I grant you that now they’ve changed the forum layout since this “upgrade”) There’s nothing to prove – people with 5 infractions have no right to even be a Mod, let alone an Admin – and certainly have no right to infract other posters - that’s the poison that you will forever have running through MTF.

But as you say I did move on – I do still regret that V/S chose not to help me help those others but have done everything in my power to make sure that TF never veered into that same direction.

All the Admins/Mods that were around when you were on MTF are either gone now or removed from power. I've no doubt what you're saying about the **** that went on back then is true though because I've heard similar things from some of the other older members.

The current Admins/Mods are far from perfect by any stretch but they're not as power hungry as you're describing here. Slasher when he was admin was certainly one that liked to throw his weight around and liked to abuse his power. I never had any interactions with him myself, I'm just judging this on what I've seen. The rest of the current team are fairly lenient in comparison to the Admins/Mods in your time.

And yeah I have the same principles as you in regards to bans, we should always go out our way to avoid bans instead of enforce them. An example I'll use here is back in 2017 I received an official warning from TV over a nothing argument I had with RAFAism, a known troll at the time, which stayed on record for 12 months, given that the incident would've blown over a simple PM or quick unofficial warning in the thread would've been a better solution rather than hand out infractions. Banning people should be a last resort. Tbf I think TV mellowed over the last year, I don't have any issues with him at all now, but back then I thought he liked to assert his authority a bit too much.

Well I don’t know any of the current Admins (well obviously Andreas – who to my knowledge is still there, so I'd not bet my life that it’s cleaned up since then) apart from Matthew, who I’ve never had an issue with and get on very well with on a personal basis, oh and I did once meet Martin/dinkulpus in the flesh in London on the middle Sunday of Wimbledon in 2012 or 2013.

It’ll always be a matter of integrity to me - the fact of the matter to me is still that wrongs were done and were never righted, it is known who did the wrongs, people were banned and punished by Domi, who had 5 infractions for bullying so shouldn’t ever have been in that position to ban people (it’s like Joan Ferguson being in charge of Cell Block H), the rest of that team were happy to keep quiet about it and those people who’ve been wrongly punished still haven’t had the justice that they deserve which was the reason why I left. Although I got a lifetime membership there as an ex-Mod I rarely post there – I used to post in that TF complaints thing when people mouthed off about supposed wrong infractions they had there. I’d always ask them for the full details of what these were but not once did anyone ever write to me with anything that proved wrong infractions. If I’d ever found out that a past Admin in TF had been in that same position, the instant I found out every single infraction they’d given would have been removed from any posters records with immediate effect, but that’s just the type of person I am, I just can’t sit by and watch injustices happen.

I've never had a warning myself as I've always been a good boy in both forums.

He had the sensitivity to ask me the week after MTF demodded me I could help him with his project as I had some old ATP newsletters.

From what I've seen most mods/Admins in MTF see the having the power to ban/punish posters as being the priority when in fact it should be in your mentality that it's the last thing any Mod/Admin should ever want to do.

It's tons more rewarding to try to sort out an argument behind the scenes without having to punish anyone.

All the Admins/Mods that were around when you were on MTF are either gone now or removed from power. I've no doubt what you're saying about the **** that went on back then is true though because I've heard similar things from some of the other older members.

The current Admins/Mods are far from perfect by any stretch but they're not as power hungry as you're describing here. Slasher when he was admin was certainly one that liked to throw his weight around and liked to abuse his power. I never had any interactions with him myself, I'm just judging this on what I've seen. The rest of the current team are fairly lenient in comparison to the Admins/Mods in your time.

And yeah I have the same principles as you in regards to bans, we should always go out our way to avoid bans instead of enforce them. An example I'll use here is back in 2017 I received an official warning from TV over a nothing argument I had with RAFAism, a known troll at the time, which stayed on record for 12 months, given that the incident would've blown over a simple PM or quick unofficial warning in the thread would've been a better solution rather than hand out infractions. Banning people should be a last resort. Tbf I think TV mellowed over the last year, I don't have any issues with him at all now, but back then I thought he liked to assert his authority a bit too much.